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Post by ian on Feb 17, 2011 16:37:41 GMT
yes 1973 is the 'free tax' and that has never changed either. So as a proposal who am i best contacting to try and adjust the current 1975 Historic Class to a date say 1983 which was when the car registrations changed format. This obviously would make the newest possible car 28 years young which in saloon car terms is pretty ancient Is there anything stopping Liverpool & Chester from adjusting the Class age? the category remains the same and would it need aproval from the MSA?
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Post by bingy on Feb 17, 2011 18:55:23 GMT
The pre 73 exception from road tax came about as initially the Government set the limit at any car over 25 years old and it was intended to be on a rolling basis. However in 1997 it was realised that they were losing more and more income from road tax and so it was stopped other than for cars already exempt. From that it would appear that even the Government regarded cars over 25 years old as classics.
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Post by sprintman on Feb 18, 2011 11:55:40 GMT
yes 1973 is the 'free tax' and that has never changed either. So as a proposal who am i best contacting to try and adjust the current 1975 Historic Class to a date say 1983 which was when the car registrations changed format. This obviously would make the newest possible car 28 years young which in saloon car terms is pretty ancient Is there anything stopping Liverpool & Chester from adjusting the Class age? the category remains the same and would it need aproval from the MSA? As I said previously I will mention it at the next LMC committee meeting.
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Post by ian on Feb 18, 2011 18:23:36 GMT
thanks Steve
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Post by sprintman on Feb 23, 2011 10:42:08 GMT
For Information: Wigton MC consider Historic = Pre '67, Post historic = Pre '74, and Classic Pre '81 At the Bo'ness Revival they run the following Post War classes: Saloon & Sports Cars pre 31st December 1961; Saloon & Sports Cars pre 31st December 1971, and Saloon & Sports Cars pre 31st December 1976. As promised I raised the subject of the dates for the Classic/Historic class at Aintree events & within the Championship. It is too late to do anything for this year as the Championship Regs have been agreed with the MSA and an alteration would be problematical. However we will be looking into a revision for 2012.
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Post by ian on Feb 24, 2011 15:31:41 GMT
thanks for the effort Steve
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Post by ian on Aug 31, 2012 13:26:01 GMT
Sorry to Resurerect an old thread but i have never heard anything from any committee etc, i now have a 1976 Porsche 924 so for me this thread is still relevant?
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Post by Ron on Sept 20, 2012 12:31:05 GMT
We will discuss it at committee but I do not hold out any hope at the moment as the class attracts very view competitors and has come very close to being dropped. For the main championship you are scored in your correct class not the classics. Loton Park has theirs at pre 1971. We need to increase class numbers dramatically to make running classic classes viable as there is not enough to even split the class up at the moment. For 2012 championship rounds over 20 rounds there was an average of 2.2 competitors per event
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Post by bingy on Feb 25, 2013 9:36:18 GMT
I'm sorry to bring up this old thread again but I have just been reading through the regs to see if we would be eligible to run in classics this year. I see the criteria is based on date of registration of the car rather than the year of the first sale of that particular model, which I understand tends to be the norm in motorsport. Does this not give rise to a situation whereby two identical cars could be entered one of which would be seen as a classic whilst the other would not purely based on the fact it was registered at a later date. In our own case our type and model of car was first introduced in 1977 and remained unchanged until production ended but our particular car was registered after 1983 so will not be eligible for the classic class.
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Post by Ron on Feb 25, 2013 13:51:47 GMT
I'm sorry to bring up this old thread again but I have just been reading through the regs to see if we would be eligible to run in classics this year. I see the criteria is based on date of registration of the car rather than the year of the first sale of that particular model, which I understand tends to be the norm in motorsport. Does this not give rise to a situation whereby two identical cars could be entered one of which would be seen as a classic whilst the other would not purely based on the fact it was registered at a later date. In our own case our type and model of car was first introduced in 1977 and remained unchanged until production ended but our particular car was registered after 1983 so will not be eligible for the classic class. We decided the only fair way was to use the actual date of registration in the case of road cars because some makes were in production for many years which the meant that that if we left it as it was and just increase the date we would have probably encounter a lot of moans and groans because much more modern and updated cars would have become eligible. The plan is to increase the qualifying date by one each year which then means for 2014 it would be 1984 which then maintains a thirty year gap. This also means that your car could be eligible next year. It also gives you a choice of classes and if you wish you can enter in either your normal class or the classic class and if we get enough entries then we will use capacity splits rather than target times which are open to misuse. The same applies which we use the actual built date for racing cars.
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Post by bingy on Feb 25, 2013 16:18:52 GMT
Thanks for the reply Ron. Unfortunately I will have to wait longer than next year to be eligible as the car was registered in November 86 which, if I understand properly how you determine when a car becomes eligible, means the car won't qualify until 2017. I should imagine either the car, or maybe I, will have given up long before then.
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