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Post by ian on Nov 18, 2011 13:35:35 GMT
I see from the a previous post that these have now been removed and it is in force from 2012, I'm thinking of inserting a 'louvre' above my air box in my 'Roadgoing Series Production' car and before i do i would like clarification. Ian The MSA are the people to give you the clarification which you seek. LMC would only be able to give an opinion whilst the MSA are the arbiters of what is and isn't legal. i Steve, I have sent them the same question, just received an automated reply saying: Regrettably due to the volume of responses it is not practical for the Secretariat to give detailed replies on behalf of the Committee to Respondents but we thank you for your contribution to the consultation and the rule making process. Not very helpfull is it
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Post by ian on Nov 18, 2011 13:38:43 GMT
The 2012 Blue Book will be out next month and you will receive it with your new licence. The North/Midland speed clarifications will clarify that OEM strut braces are not permitted. I am hoping to have the championship regs ready by the end of November so has to send them with membership renewals but I still have a problem with a few of the rounds that are not able to confirm them at the moment. Ok so definately no strutt braces allowed thanks for the Clarification Ron. Now if only i could find an answer to fitting a bonnet Louvre i will be all set for next season lol
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Post by Ron on Nov 18, 2011 14:02:56 GMT
You need to speak to a scrutineer about fitting a Bonnet Louvre as I am sure that it is not changing for class 1 in 2012 Reading the 2011 blue book as long as it does not alter the silhouette it should be OK.
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Post by sprintman on Nov 19, 2011 11:59:00 GMT
The MSA are the people to give you the clarification which you seek. LMC would only be able to give an opinion whilst the MSA are the arbiters of what is and isn't legal. i Steve, I have sent them the same question, just received an automated reply saying: Regrettably due to the volume of responses it is not practical for the Secretariat to give detailed replies on behalf of the Committee to Respondents but we thank you for your contribution to the consultation and the rule making process. Not very helpfull is it Ian, it all depends in the context that you sent the email to the MSA. If you sent it in the wrong context - such as a respondent to a consultation - this is likely what you will get back. This is because the "consultation" process is about competitors views about a possible change. This is so the relevant Committees can judge whether possible changes they're proposing are right or wrong. Not will my car "fit" or not under revisions to the rules.
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Post by ian on Nov 19, 2011 15:18:04 GMT
i Steve, I have sent them the same question, just received an automated reply saying: Regrettably due to the volume of responses it is not practical for the Secretariat to give detailed replies on behalf of the Committee to Respondents but we thank you for your contribution to the consultation and the rule making process. Not very helpfull is it Ian, it all depends in the context that you sent the email to the MSA. If you sent it in the wrong context - such as a respondent to a consultation - this is likely what you will get back. This is because the "consultation" process is about competitors views about a possible change. This is so the relevant Committees can judge whether possible changes they're proposing are right or wrong. Not will my car "fit" or not under revisions to the rules. I have also sent it to the 'Technical' section of the MSA and they haven't even bothered to acknowledge it ..............guess i just fit it and if a scruitineer doesnt like it the silver Gaffer tape will be out to cover the hole
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Post by russellt on Nov 25, 2011 15:52:17 GMT
This is going to be a hassle for me as I have all sorts attached cable tied etc to my strut brace. As Ian says they have always been specificaly allowed in the past why the change of heart and are BARC Yorkshire signing up to this?
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Post by ian on Dec 2, 2011 8:37:20 GMT
Hi Ron, I'm a little confused which is fairly normal lol.....................you posted a comment clarifying a point on strut braces and also about suspension on uphill racers. Below is the question and your comment:
Quote: Originally Posted by Avanzato View Post Thats some good news for a change.
What about adjustable (for castor and camber) are they still outlawed in road-going?
Mine came as part of the updrated coil over strut unit.
Quote: I have spoken today to technical at the MSA and they have said that as long as the spherical joint/s come as an integral part of it's construction, not as a separate item then it would be OK.
The 2012 Blue Book is now available online on the MSA website and in normal fashion click on the link to the 2011 Blue Book on the home page to find it
Ron
Does this now allow adjustable camber/caster suspension top mounts IF they came as part of the uprated Suspension? I understand the INTEGRAL spherical bearing bit but the rest could be interpreted in with the comment also. For the last 3 cars that i have built for sprinting i have had to NOT fit adjustable top mounts to comply.
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Post by Ron on Dec 2, 2011 11:39:25 GMT
I have put exactly what I was told by the MSA. As I only have a minimal understanding anything mechanical coming from an electronics background and I can only pass on what I have been told. All I can say is if it is an integral part of the construction of the suspension unit and not an add-on/separate part then it is probably OK.
Just remember it must comply with;
11.7.1. The suspension type and mountings must remain the same as that fitted by the vehicle manufacturer.
11.7.2. The shock absorbers may be of any make and may be uprated from standard.
11.7.3. Adjustable spring platform struts are permitted.
11.7.4. The mounting method and position must remain as specified by the vehicle manufacturer.
11.7.5. Springs are free but must retain their original location.
11.7.6. For Road-going Series Production Cars bushes may be changed for similar polymer materials but not to spherical or similar metal joints.
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Post by ian on Dec 2, 2011 13:39:34 GMT
ahhh got you now, 11.7.4 clears that up thanks. I would hate to be a scruitineer at the 1st Race of 2012 lol.
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Post by Ron on Dec 2, 2011 20:38:43 GMT
ahhh got you now, 11.7.4 clears that up thanks. I would hate to be a scruitineer at the 1st Race of 2012 lol. I agree with you it could be interesting at the first round.
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Post by ian on Dec 9, 2011 14:16:08 GMT
My Front Strutt brace is 'adjustable' so i am welding the adjustable part so it can no longer move, wonder what interest that will bring heheheh
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