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Post by allister on Jul 25, 2010 23:23:03 GMT
Hi if anyone can give me some answers to the following questions i would be very grateful, or any constructive comments. The background is that i am in 3G at present due to having no windscreen but would like to be in 2B, so my questions are:
1 Can a windscreen be made of acrylic or does it have to be glass (easy to make one out of plastic) ?
2 Can the windscreen be supported by a role cage ? (i am thinking of a full cage for safety and it would be easy to do at the same time).
3 Does the screen need a de-mister as in IVA regs or just wipers? (i have enough breeze to de-mist my socks, never mind the screen).
4 OK now a technical one would i be allowed to use nitrous? I know it is not allowed on std production "no other oxidant other than air" but nothing is mentioned in any other class, if so i would presume the multiplier for forced induction would come into play ?
Thanks Allister.
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Post by sprintman on Jul 26, 2010 8:42:34 GMT
To answer your questions in turn: 1 Can a windscreen be made of acrylic or does it have to be glass (easy to make one out of plastic) ? Yes a windscreen can be made of acrylic but it would not be acceptable in 2B as the car has to have its original screen fitted. 2 Can the windscreen be supported by a role cage ? (i am thinking of a full cage for safety and it would be easy to do at the same time). It would have to have the original windscreen surround in place however the roll-cage can be underneath this surround and effectively support it. 3 Does the screen need a de-mister as in IVA regs or just wipers? (i have enough breeze to de-mist my socks, never mind the screen). Original equipment such as heater, radio, heated rear screen etc must be in place. 4 OK now a technical one would i be allowed to use nitrous? I know it is not allowed on std production "no other oxidant other than air" but nothing is mentioned in any other class, if so i would presume the multiplier for forced induction would come into play ? No  |
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Post by allister on Jul 26, 2010 11:07:32 GMT
OK sounds simple, but the car was built with no windscreen or surround, no radio and no de mister, it also does not have any wipers but these would have to be retro fitted for a screen. As the kit is no longer made how would i go about the screen and surround ? I Could get a glass one made to my own template but have no specs on surround or size. Could my surround be as substantial as a role cage ? It may have been like that by the manufacturer !!
The other option would be to stay in 3G. Is nitrous allowed in 3G or is it just blanket banned ? If it is i could always bolt two T3's to the engine ? Yep i am nuts..
Thanks Allister
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Post by sprintman on Jul 27, 2010 9:56:16 GMT
Just a few questions: OK sounds simple, but the car was built with no windscreen or surround, no radio and no de mister, it also does not have any wipers but these would have to be retro fitted for a screen. As the kit is no longer made how would i go about the screen and surround ? What kit car is it? (Make/model) How many were made in total? How many were made each year? |
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Post by allister on Jul 27, 2010 11:32:10 GMT
Please don't laugh, it is a Robin hood S7 with a 3lt cosworth V6 No 73 in April sprint, Loads were made, and even a few made it to the road.
The kit was made in 1997, i bought it 2 years ago took it to bits and re built it and SVA'ed it in April last year. I am not trying to get round the rules, just trying to work out the best way for me to be a bit more competative. As the car is road legal i would like to be in roadgoing, but if the work neaded for this is too great then i will just have to put up with being in 3G hence the question about nitrous (already fitted).
PS did not use nitrous in april as i only squeeked through scrutineering Seat belts (Done) and role hoop a bit low, hence question obout cage and screen.
Thanks.
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Post by sprintman on Jul 27, 2010 11:44:43 GMT
If you want to be in "Roadgoing" then I would suggest that you need all the kit for the car to pass its MOT. You may well have to fit a windscreen (check not only the Blue Book but the championship regs).
Not sure on Robin Hood production numbers but as you say there were a lot of kits sold.
Nothing to stop you running a full roll-cage in Road-going as many do.
Nitrous is a no-no in Road-going so I would scrap that.
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Post by allister on Jul 27, 2010 13:07:34 GMT
The car is full road legal and mot compliant with no screen, heater or wipers. The blue book says the a car does not have to have a screen for road going but championship regs say that it does.
My way of thinking was if i can use gas i would stay in modified kit (no screen just a cage) but if not i would try to change to roadgoing kit and fit windscreen, wipers and washers. The car will always be road legal is i try to use it on good weather days.
As i would be fabricating screen and surround/cage frome scratch i was trying to kill two birds with one stone, but if the words of f*gin " I think i'll have to to think it out again".
Thanks for help
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Post by Ron on Jul 27, 2010 15:40:39 GMT
The car is full road legal and mot compliant with no screen, heater or wipers. The blue book says the a car does not have to have a screen for road going but championship regs say that it does. My way of thinking was if i can use gas i would stay in modified kit (no screen just a cage) but if not i would try to change to roadgoing kit and fit windscreen, wipers and washers. The car will always be road legal is i try to use it on good weather days. As i would be fabricating screen and surround/cage frome scratch i was trying to kill two birds with one stone, but if the words of f*gin " I think i'll have to to think it out again". Thanks for help I would compete for the rest of the season in 3G and wait to see what happens for 2011 as I am working on removing the windscreen requirement. I have just one club/championship to convince so that we are all singing from the same hymn sheet. |
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Post by allister on Jul 27, 2010 23:49:00 GMT
Thanks Ron, that would solve my dilemer, i will get on with making a cage for september. i'm not in a championship yet but am working my way to it.
Thanks to Steve for all the help, sorry to sound thick but i am still new to this and the regs are a necessary minefield that we all must tip toe through.
I am sure there will be more questions to come.
Thanks Again Allister.
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Post by sprintman on Jul 28, 2010 9:32:25 GMT
Thanks Ron, that would solve my dilemer, i will get on with making a cage for september. i'm not in a championship yet but am working my way to it. Thanks to Steve for all the help, sorry to sound thick but i am still new to this and the regs are a necessary minefield that we all must tip toe through. I am sure there will be more questions to come. Thanks Again Allister. Allister, don't worry about asking questions - if you don't ask you don't learn. I've been around speed events for over 20 years and there are still things that amaze me, only last week I found out that a regulation I thought had been in the Blue Book since the mid 90s never existed! All the best with the project, Steve |
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